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Anger at DNA retention plans for Northern Ireland

Friday, 13 November 2009

Government proposals to retain DNA profiles for people arrested but not convicted of serious charges in Northern Ireland have been criticised by campaigners for being too harsh.

Under the Scottish system there is no retention of the data of innocent people except in the most grave cases, the Committee for the Administration of Justice (CAJ) said.

Measures announced by the Home Office said adults who are arrested but not convicted of a serious crime will have their profiles held for six years instead of the 12 proposed this summer.

But CAJ director Mike Ritchie said: "We can see no reason why this jurisdiction requires a harsher regime than Scotland."

Ministers were forced to review the current policy, which allows police to hold profiles of every person arrested indefinitely, after a European Court of Human Rights ruling last year.

Judges in Strasbourg said the "blanket" policy breached human rights because it treated everyone the same regardless of the offence or whether they were convicted.

Mr Ritchie added: "We would advocate the adoption of the Scottish model, where data is retained for three years, with the possibility of another two year extension by way of application to the courts, if police are concerned about the seriousness of the crime or where there is a sexual or "terrorist" element.

"Under the Scottish system, there is no other retention of data of unconvicted persons."

The Home Office defended the six-year retention period for DNA, irrespective of the seriousness of the crime for which they were arrested.

"The best available evidence indicates that the type of offence a person is first arrested for is not a good indicator of the seriousness of offences he might subsequently be arrested for or convicted of in the future," it said.

"As the retention of the DNA of innocent people is not punitive, but rather a measure to facilitate the detection of future offences, the government therefore conclude it is appropriate to have a single retention period."

Under yesterday's proposals terror suspects who are released without charge could face having their DNA profiles stored for life.

They could see the information on anyone arrested for terrorist offences, including those who are not charged or acquitted, kept indefinitely on the national database.

Under the plans, senior police officers would review each case every two years on national security grounds to see if holding onto the genetic profile of each individual was warranted.

Even under 18s arrested but not charged could have their DNA profiles stored for much longer periods than for other crimes.

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Scotland does not have the same catagory of 'criminal activity' as NI and as such should not be a comparison subject.
To 'not be convicted' is not the same as being innocent of a crime.
If one is innocent does it really matter if DNA records are kept on file?

Posted by George Connery | 15.11.09, 09:16 GMT

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This sort of police state thinking must be opposed by all free intelligent thinkers. We must not fall victim to group hysteria, moral panic and the misrepresented statistics (The Jill Dando Foundation now distance themselves from the draft report that the Government abused to justify the databse).

If you are innocent of crime that should be the end of it. There should be no suspicion or monitoring measures in place 'just in case'.

Posted by Chris | 13.11.09, 13:50 GMT

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Anything that can help the police to solve crimes and the courts to impose accurate justice should be welcomed.

However, at the end of the day, NI is only following the example of England & Wales's 5 year rather than Scotland's 6 year limit. I suspect that the CAJ's reference to our model being too harsh is just a lame attempt to hide their real agenda.

Posted by Peter | 13.11.09, 11:02 GMT

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First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Posted by Thinkaboutit | 12.11.09, 16:48 GMT

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lumina really strange that someone would post would you have written. I mean, it makes very little sense. DNA evidence can be faked. That is a proven fact. Read the articles.

Posted by DnaDan | 12.11.09, 16:46 GMT

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A lot of young people on the records have been on the 'slap on the wrists' domain while they are below age;it is good to have such information to identify them as proper criminals when they grow up.

Posted by Malachy McAnespie | 11.11.09, 15:16 GMT

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Of course, Lumina. Here's another article www.scientificamerican.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=lab-creates-fake-dna-evidence-2009-08-18
Read the articles before you suggest that the experts are spoofing.
And the relevance of global warming to a proven science experiment is what exactly?

Posted by Ulysses32 | 11.11.09, 12:33 GMT

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This is disgraceful, if you are found to be innocent then your DNA/fingerprints should be deleted immediately, there is no reason for holding DNA profiles of innocent people.

Posted by RB | 11.11.09, 10:47 GMT

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@ lumina, maybe you don't exist either, I've got my doubts :)

The current UK government have been on a police state kick since they got in, this is another disgraceful yet unsurprising move to curtail our right to privacy.

Posted by Farrah | 11.11.09, 09:48 GMT

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It's very convenient that the scientist that 'discovered' this faking ability has also discovered a method of detecting the fakes, which he now intends to sell worldwide...

Makes you think, doesn't it, the almighty dollar strikes again.

Posted by StephenM | 11.11.09, 09:12 GMT

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Maybe the NY Times article about faking DNA profiles is a fake itself. A bit like the global warming debate where some could argue that the pro-lobby represents a covenient lie.

Posted by lumina | 11.11.09, 08:29 GMT

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I guarantee that there is not many people reading this that know that DNA evidence can be faked. There is a NY Times article on this by Andrew Pollack at www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/science/18dna.html

Posted by Fakingit | 11.11.09, 07:15 GMT

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