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Irish judge dismisses drink-drive cases due to urine steam inhalation

Monday, 1 December 2008

An Irish judge has thrown out two separate drink-driving cases because of the danger the defendants inhaled alcohol from their own urine while in garda custody.

The rulings, by Judge James O'Connor, came as there was increasing concern at government level over the high number of non-convictions in drink-driving cases.

Last month, at Killorglin District Court in Kerry, two separate drink-driving cases were dismissed after the presiding judge ruled that the steam of the defendants' urine could have affected their alcohol readings taken during subsequent breath testing.

They were not the first cases where Judge O'Connor has agreed with defence submissions that inhalation of urine fumes could have skewed breath-test results and cases should be dismissed. The law requires that a person suspected of drink driving must be observed by a garda for 20 minutes at a garda station before their breath sample is taken.

During that 20-minute period they must not consume anything by mouth.

In both cases, the solicitor, Mr O'Connell, argued that during this 20-minute period both his clients had used a toilet to urinate. Because the two men urinated with their backs to the prosecuting garda, the 20-minute observation period had been interrupted. The solicitor argued that a new 20-minute observation period should have begun when his clients returned from the toilet and that the cases should be dismissed.

Judge O'Connor agreed. He stated that the purpose of the 20-minute observation period is to ensure nothing is taken by mouth that may affect the reading from the breath test.

"Nil by mouth is the same as nil by nose," Judge O'Connor declared. "When he is urinating, he is inhaling vapourised alcohol and there's always steam off it."

Assistant Garda Commissioner Eddie Rock, who is in charge of the Garda Traffic Corps, said yesterday that the two cases which were dismissed in Killorglin served to highlight the difficulties faced by gardai in successfully prosecuting cases of alleged drink driving.

"I don't think it is appropriate for me to say anymore about it at this stage," he said.

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I just hope that Judge O'Connor never has to face that dreaded knock on the door when the police arrive to tell him that a relative has been killed by a drunk driver.
But in this particular case surely the prosecution would have been in a position to negate such a ridiculous defence.

Posted by John G | 08.01.09, 09:40 GMT

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kind of crazy huh ,only in ireland ,,,later

Posted by craig | 05.12.08, 19:43 GMT

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if its in his urine then he is drunk anyway, so whats the problem?

Posted by coconut | 03.12.08, 20:34 GMT

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This judge has struck a blow for the drinking man and I applaud him.

Posted by MARC | 03.12.08, 04:14 GMT

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A relative of mine was caught drink driving for the umpteenth time while living in Donegal. When a local police officer was asked about the chances of her losing her licence he replied and i quote "how is she going to get to the pub without a car." This would be funny if it wasn't for the fact that she regularly had her 2 kids in the car when intoxicated. Fortunately they are cared for elsewhere now.

Posted by sam | 02.12.08, 22:33 GMT

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I don't wish to contradict the previous poster but it is scientific fact that alcohol is processed by the body in 3 ways. Metabolism, evaporation and excretion. You are correct in that the vast majority is metabolised. But up to 3% of alcohol consumed is excreted in the urine! Granted this is such a small percentage it is highly unlikely to affect a breath test!

Posted by bannside | 02.12.08, 11:40 GMT

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And you wonder why the rest of the world tells Irish Jokes:

Posted by Des | 02.12.08, 02:20 GMT

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Once again this illustrates that Judges live in a different world than the rest of us. They seem to be making a mockery of the seriousness of this offence.

Posted by Joe | 01.12.08, 23:55 GMT

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Looks like your judges have been taking lessons from our Canadian honourables.
Pity!

Posted by Charlie | 01.12.08, 22:49 GMT

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Are you taking the p?

Posted by Dr Dermot Quinn | 01.12.08, 21:05 GMT

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the judge needs to be thrown out of his job for that ruling.

Posted by mike | 01.12.08, 19:30 GMT

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I have been a licensed chemical dependence professional for the past 24 years and can tell you, absolutely, that this is an impossibility. Alcohol is metabolized before it leaves the body as urine.

Posted by Rob Wilson | 01.12.08, 18:20 GMT

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Brings a new meaning to the term "Steaming" :)

Posted by Paul | 01.12.08, 16:00 GMT

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