Robinson warns Sinn Fein over policing and justice agreement
Wednesday, 10 February 2010
Northern Ireland's First Minister Peter Robinson last night warned he would collapse the Stormont Assembly if Sinn Fein did not honour the landmark agreement on policing and parades, but stressed he was confident republicans would deliver.
The Democratic Unionist leader said he was sure his partners in the power-sharing government were fully committed to the deal and did not expect to need the nuclear option.
"I think everybody has recognised that there are methods available, particularly to the two main parties in this Assembly, which can be used at any and all times if they wish to bring down institutions to make sure that things don't work, to act as vetoes," he told the assembly as he outlined details of Friday's settlement on devolving law and order powers.
Elaborating on his cryptic reference last week to the "secret device" he had to ensure Sinn Fein compliance, Mr Robinson cited the example of former Ulster Unionist leader David Trimble, who triggered the suspension of the Assembly after resigning on the issue of IRA decommissioning, and recent rumours of a similar move by Sinn Fein Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness.
"It's well recognised that just as the leader of the Ulster Unionist Party once wrote out his post-dated resignation and eventually caused a suspension of the Assembly, just as it was reported in the newspapers that the Deputy First Minister was prepared to resign - and unquestionably if he had done we would have probably ended up with something worse than suspension of the Assembly, probably the collapse of the Assembly - so too have I the ability to do exactly the same things as both of them if I felt if there was bad faith on the part the signatories to this agreement," he said.
But he added: "There has to be a time in any negotiating process when you look across the table at the person you are negotiating with and you make a determination whether you believe that that person is seriously going to keep the commitment that they are entering into and quite frankly if you don't believe that they are going to do so, you should walk away from the table and have nothing to do with it."
The DUP and Sinn Fein agreement hammered out at the marathon summit at Hillsborough Castle, Co Down, set out a number of interlocking processes around devolution and changes to parade management structures that are intended to culminate with the transfer of justice powers from Westminster on April 12.
As both leaders addressed the Assembly on the deal this afternoon, Mr McGuinness insisted his party would not shirk its responsibilities.
"It is much better to move forward in a positive vein than looking at the black side," he said.
"I travel with hope and optimism, I look on the bright side and whenever this party makes commitments, we are absolutely dedicated to keeping those commitments."
Mr Robinson made a passionate case for backing the agreement in the chamber of Parliament Buildings as the first steps in implementing it got under way.
A working group made up of three DUP and Sinn Fein members to find a way forward on the parading dispute held its first discussions, while Mr Robinson and Mr McGuinness held talks with other political leaders about potential candidates for the new Justice Minister. The nationalist SDLP is the only party to nominate for the post thus far.
Afterwards, the DUP leader referred to his recent personal crisis involving his wife Iris's infidelity as he briefed the Assembly on the deal.
"Over these last months I have had plenty of drama in my life," he said.
"I could have walked away very easily - every brain cell and every blood cell cried out to me to watch from the sidelines rather than the frontline. I'm here because of a sense of duty, because I believe that what we are doing actually matters, that what we are trying to achieve in this Assembly is something for the betterment for all the people in Northern Ireland... if other people in this Assembly don't collectively agree with that, then quite frankly we'd all be far better packing our bags and going home."
One of Sinn Fein's representatives on the new parading body, Gerry Kelly, said they would meet on a daily basis to formulate a framework within the group's tight three-week deadline.
"We have not said that we will sort out the issue of contentious parades in two or three weeks, we will try to put together a structure that will make it easier," he added.
"It has to be sorted out between the residents and the people who march in those areas, making dialogue and resolution easier.
"We are not trying to bring forward some miracle."
Nationalist residents in mainly working-class areas like north Belfast and Portadown, Co Armagh, oppose Orange Order processions past their houses because they see them as triumphalistic.
Members of the loyal orders accuse householders of going out of their way to be offended and maintain it is their traditional right to demonstrate on the streets.
The working group will seek to design a new system that will involve a greater emphasis on local accommodation. It will also attempt to create a better framework for mediation and a new system of adjudication.
The government-appointed Parades Commission has been criticised by unionists for barring Orange demonstrations like that at Drumcree, Portadown, from walking along the mainly nationalist Garvaghy Road.
The new Assembly group has been criticised by the SDLP for not including the other parties and non-political experts.
Mr Kelly, a junior minister in the Office of the First Minister and Deputy First Minister, said they planned to involve other "stakeholders" but were reporting to First Minister Robinson and Deputy First Minister McGuinness.
Lagan Valley DUP MLA Jeffrey Donaldson, who is also a member of the group, said: "The decisions we take as a working group will not be taken in a vacuum.
"They will be informed and influenced by those involved in parading, that is why we will be listening to those views and reflecting them in the final agreement." He added a resolution to the issue was essential to build public confidence.
"We will stick with the timetable agreed at Hillsborough, we want to get agreement in principle on how we move the parades issue forward," he added.
Elsewhere at Stormont, leaders from all five main parties in the Assembly met as part of a process of deciding who will be the first Justice Minister in 38 years.
Alliance Party head David Ford is the favourite but was not nominated today because he wants outstanding issues like developing better community relations dealt with.
He published proposals for a programme for government for policing and justice but said he would not allow himself to be put forward until his party's demands were met.
"We need to see progress on building a shared future for the people of Northern Ireland and we need to see a group conversation for the Department of Justice which would ensure that it delivers for all of the people of Northern Ireland," he said.
He admitted there had been some "frostiness" at today's Stormont meeting, but added that Sinn Fein and the DUP were prepared to engage.
"Since last Friday there has been constructive and positive engagement, certainly through yesterday. There remains work to be done but the Alliance Party remains committed to doing that," he added.
His party's proposals said there were considerable inefficiencies and cost pressures within the criminal justice system and work to manage scarce resources more efficiently and effectively must be intensified to ensure a sustainable level of public service.
The SDLP nominated its North Belfast Assembly member, Alban Maginness, a former lawyer, for the post.
Leader Margaret Ritchie said: "There should not be any departure from the democratic principles as enshrined in the Good Friday Agreement." She also said she had agreed to participate in more bilateral meetings with Mr Robinson and Mr McGuinness.
Ms Ritchie is also holding talks with Irish Foreign Affairs Minister Micheal Martin in Dublin tomorrow.
Ulster Unionist leader Sir Reg Empey said little substantive progress had been made today but that was not expected at the first meeting.
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viewpoint, sorry for not addressing your comment earlier.
When inn Fein was threatening to collapse the Assembly they had a justification due to the intransigence of the DUP. Thankfully, Sinn Fein hung on and the matter progressed.
I presume you are referring to my comment criticising Peter Robinson for being pessimistic?
Surely criticising those types of expressions before a crisis is justified?
Surely one should enter with intent of success rather than anticipation of failure.
Posted by Ulysses32 | 12.02.10, 16:34 GMT
dear tommhall, perhaps i owe you an apology. i've just re-read your mail and i fee it's actually intended to be ironic but i was too slow/impulsive first time round. can this be the case?
séamus/germany
Posted by séamus macclelland | 11.02.10, 14:40 GMT
tommyhall, a few questions.
Have you been playing RISK with your fellow cellmates? I'm assuming you are some sort of a paramilitary-type due to the WE won the war and WE have the right to do what we want.
The right to do what WE want? Huh? Who's this WE?
No surrender? To what and by whom?
Live under your rules? Maybe I have it wrong. Maybe you aren't playing Risk. Maybe you are the Dungeon Master for the local Dungeons and Dragons lodge.
Try Savlon for the scuffed knuckles, by the way.
Posted by Ulysses32 | 11.02.10, 13:43 GMT
dear tommyhall, i'm afriad it's not so simple after all, life never is really. "this is our country we won the war." well tommy if you actually look at the population figures for the six-counties that make up the state of northern.ireland you'll find that the people you want to "emigrate" to the r.of.irl. are actually a majority in four of them, now tommy, a "republican" might argue that such a fact makes things "so simple " but it doesn't actually, it complicates things you see for were we to have separate referendums in those four counties then they would probably end up as part of the r.of.irl but with a large number of British subjects who feel, well, displaced to put it mildly. you see tommy northern ireland has suffered from "simple solutions" for far too long: brits out! no surrender! funny old world really tommy i actually wanted to write a six sentence comment on your mail but i found that the issues you raised deserved more than a simple answer.
Séamus/Germany
Posted by séamus macclelland | 11.02.10, 13:20 GMT
The Simple Solution
But first the problem.
1. The Orange Order want to walk along a road
2. The local residents do not want to see the or hear them.
The solution.
1. Determine, from previous years the total cost to the taxpayers lets say 10 million.
2. Build a temporary tunnel, well insulated over road.
3. The OO walk along road.
4. The local residents neither hear nor see the OO
5. Divide the 10 million equally amoungst the Local Residents (now thats alot of change). I personally would head to the Med.
win win for all....
Posted by Mr Fixit | 11.02.10, 05:17 GMT
It is Oh so simple, really.
This is our country, we won the war.
We won the right to do what we want.
The Republicans/Nationalists can go live in the ROI.
Should they choose to live here in the UK, they must live under our rules.
No Surrender!
Posted by tommyhall | 11.02.10, 00:15 GMT
gearoid the way you are correspondind sectarian fashion you have hence forth been nicknamed haemoroid its a bum deal and your there right at the bottom ,society is trying to move on wise up. im nationlist but happy enough with dual nationality, best of both worlds.
Posted by liam | 10.02.10, 23:04 GMT
these guys must now be panicking - they'll have to start discussing health, education and the economy - not really their specialist subject.
its time to plan another crisis......
Posted by Seymour Bunting | 10.02.10, 20:47 GMT
Do we realy need parades? I think not.
Posted by sean from co down Ireland | 10.02.10, 19:57 GMT
sack them all and rule from london/dublin! simples! also ban all parades irrespective of who wants to march where and for what. just think, we would not have to put up with this nonsense and we would save 10 fortunes.
Posted by peter | 10.02.10, 18:15 GMT
The only thing thats collapsing is Peter the Punt's tiny little world.
Posted by Voyeur | 10.02.10, 18:06 GMT
The solution might be to give in to one contentious parade on "one condition". All parade loving dupers/OO must walk the route everyday 365 days every year while the rest of us get on with life. With the parade lovers happily occupied parading everyday the residents long gone we can all move on. Paraders will be in heaven demonstrating while the rest of us get on with living in the real world. Yes I realize it's a dumb solution but in my opinion not as dumb as grown men and women bringing down a governing body for what it is worth for the sake of a parade.
Posted by USA | 10.02.10, 17:40 GMT
So our Peter , bless him , has threatened to collapse the assembly if the shinners don't perform ! I find this really rich coming from a man in his perilous situation .
Without giving any explanation ,
Shaun Woodward made a comment last week -end that Peter has no case to answer re tha Irisgate affair . Could it be that it suits Woodward to have him there for the time being ?Once all the truths about Irisgate have been made public , I believe neither of gents will have a choice , Peter will be dumped and I believe rightly so .
Wonder what odds Paddy Power is laying on that one ?
Posted by Jack | 10.02.10, 17:25 GMT
Collapse the Assembly for the sake of three unwelcome parades and you will never get a dime of foreign investment in the future. Leave the medievil times behind and grow up. Over paid idiots. The whole lot.
Posted by Rich | 10.02.10, 17:23 GMT
We dont really care anymore - too much pussyfooting with SF and their former terrorists in command...
Posted by Gazza | 10.02.10, 16:38 GMT
A last gasp effort of an ineffectual leader despised by his pathetic cowardly colleagues who have no-one to replace him and haven't the " gohones ' to take his place.
Posted by john | 10.02.10, 16:25 GMT
Ulyssess32 im not trying to start an arguement ,but i wish your views were more balanced when sinn fein threatened to collapse assembly you stayed silent, now its dups turn you have plenty to say, you must realise your words would carry more weight if they were directed towards both sides, you are showing a large amount of bias towards one side and turning a blind eye the other way.
Posted by viewpoint | 10.02.10, 16:24 GMT
Poor wee Peter. Him and his party were forced to act like real politicians for a few days - or else Gordon Brown was going to initiate fresh elections after the Assembly collapsed.
Now they're pouting and threatening to wreck the process if their precious Orange Order doesn't get to waddle where it wants.
The fact is SF have NO obligation to force sectarian marches through nationalist communities who do not want them. They are political representitives - not miracle workers
If the OO want to march where they're not welcome it up to them to secure local agreement. And here's a hint lads - it's better not to have bannerettes glorifying sectarian murderers if you want to look like anything other than bigots in a time-warp.
Posted by gearoid | 10.02.10, 15:29 GMT
the only people holding back our shared future are the ppl opposing 3 of the 3000 parades held annually throughout ulster each, and ever year since sinn fein instructed them to do so for their black propaganda campaign.why oppose only 3?, you should really be opposing all 3000 of them.the residents should wise up and realise that they were, and are,being used as pawns by sinn fein. its sad to see and i say this to the unionist side too, that its a disgrace the way the politicians are messing with all of our minds over such trifle issues, i wish everyone would stop being sucked in by political mind games cause the only winners are the ones up on the hill
Posted by darklord999 | 10.02.10, 15:00 GMT
Ask Iris, she will tell you what the best thing to do!!!!
Posted by Andrea | 10.02.10, 14:57 GMT
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