Thousands gather to remember war dead

By Lisa Smyth
Saturday, 7 November 2009

Tommorow thousands will gather at cenotaphs and war memorials across the UK to remember those who lost their lives in the Armed Forces.

Poppies will be laid, the Last Post played and silences observed on the stroke of 11am as former and current soldiers come together to mark those who gave their lives in war.

For many this year’s event will be all the more poignant because, as well as remembering the dead from two world wars, memories will turn to those who died much more recently in conflict in Afghanistan.

Services will also be taking place across Northern Ireland.

However, as so often in the province, the event carries other connotations. The wearing of the poppy continues to be viewed by many as a political symbol.

But with the province now moving towards a more peaceful future, shouldn’t everyone here now support the poppy?

After all, Northern Ireland has suffered as much as any other part of Britain in the Afghanistan conflict.

Should Remembrance Sunday be viewed as an inclusive event for all of our communities to take part in?

The Royal British Legion, the organisation responsible for Remembrance Sunday, has called on people here to shift from the notion that the poppy is a political symbol representing support for the British Army and towards the stance that it commemorates all soldiers from all conflicts who have made the ultimate sacrifice.

A spokesman from the Royal British Legion said the poppy is for those people who have given their lives for a greater cause.

“The last thing a poppy is, is a political symbol, that is a point we are arguing with the British National Party at the moment which is using the poppy as a political symbol.

“It is a cross-community symbol of remembrance and not a political symbol in any way.”

Comments from the First and Deputy First Minister on the issue, however, reveal division at the top of the political structure in Northern Ireland.

While Peter Robinson has called for everyone to wear the poppy, Martin McGuinness has never worn one.

Mr McGuinness’s party colleague, Alex Maskey MLA, said while he supports the work of the Royal British Legion he has never worn a poppy because of its connections with the British Army.

The poppy has become a divisive emblem over the years. And while the Royal British Legion has moved to distance itself from

the sectarianism that enshrined much of Northern Ireland during the Troubles, its Coleraine branch has come to prominence in recent years for electing convicted loyalists to top posts.

At the time, disgruntled members said they felt under threat from fellow members to remain silent despite their opposition to the outcome of the voting process and the Royal British Legion then refused to comment on the matter.

More recently, the organisation rejected suggestions of a connection with loyalist paramilitaries, warning it will not take part in this year’s Remembrance Day parade in Bangor should loyalists try to take part in the event.

Controversy still surrounds the annual Poppy Appeal with the majority of the nationalist community making a conscious decision not to wear it, while those who do have come under fire for supporting the Royal British Legion.

Last year, X Factor hopeful Eoghan Quigg received death threats after he appeared on the television programme wearing a

poppy and performed on a charity single to raise cash for British soldiers, while a self-proclaimed republican has written on a political blog to defend his decision to wear a poppy.

“I wear the poppy because the battle against Nazism was a battle fought on behalf of humanity, and not just on behalf of Britain,” he said.

Leader of the Alliance Party David Ford said he believes it is unfortunate the poppy has become politicised and said that commemorating fallen soldiers should be open to all sides of the community. He called for more work to be done to make the event inclusive of everyone in Northern Ireland.

A spokesman from the SDLP said: “The choice of whether to wear or not wear a poppy or any other symbol is a purely personal one which everyone should respect.

“SDLP representatives have worn the poppy when attending Remembrance Day ceremonies.”

I see it's only about the BNP again.
What about criticizing the Lib/Lab/Con politicians who were wearing a poppy three weeks before Rememberance Sunday and are still wearing them now three days after.
What about Gordon Brown who didn't have he decency to step back and bow his head after laying his wreath.
But then, we must never let facts get in the way of a good story, should we?

Posted by Rayatcov | 10.11.09, 21:12 GMT

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what is the matter with people? do they forget all the brave military who has and is making this world a safer place to be. My grand father was in the battle of the Somme my brother was in the Royal Commandos. brothers-in lawfrom the USA have served in wars my son is a full time army soldier. Bravo to British Legion for keeping the Poppies alive I proudly wear mine. There is nothing political about it.Did Catholics not serve shoulder to shoulder with protestants and die beside them, shame on all those who won't wear a POPPY.God Rest them everyone.

Posted by Catherine Graham | 08.11.09, 21:10 GMT

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Time Republicans/nationalists grew up and stopped being so rediculously childish - they would not be here today in all likelyhood or enjoy the freedom which they have if not for the men who fought in WW1 and WW2 - Catholics and Protestants fought side by side and religion never came into it.
The day will arrive when Republicans will have to embrace the poppy or else they will continue to embarrass themselves,and Northern Ireland as a whole.

Posted by Andy | 08.11.09, 21:01 GMT

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Just BNP bashing

Never ever would the BNP use the poppy as political symbol it will always be remembered for our fallen heroes

The BNP and any other nationalist remembers our service personal past and present every day not just once a year



Posted by John Beatson | 08.11.09, 10:48 GMT

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The battle against Nationalist Socialism (or Socialist Nationalism, or NaZism, or PSFism or whatever they want to call it) continues. Perhaps, when they present the corpse of the last person the Disappeared, they'll be human again.

Posted by Jim | 07.11.09, 19:29 GMT

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Nationalists should wear the Poppy.
Don't they yet recognise that their grandparents joined the 10th & 16th Irish Divisions, Connaught Rangers and other famous British Regiments to serve King and country. They fought bravely and honourably. The time for this head in the sand attitude is past. Facts are facts. Wear your Poppy.

Posted by Kelly Ardron | 07.11.09, 12:54 GMT

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How sad that we still have such outdated and ignorant attitudes from people like Martin McGuinness who would never have the courage and nerve to do what those fallen men and women have done.

Continue to refuse to wear a poppy if you wish sir - but it stands alone for far more than you ever will.

Posted by wendy | 07.11.09, 12:51 GMT

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To say the British National Party is using the poppy as a political symbol is not just untrue but humbug. The elites and celebs on TV appear automatically to wear the poppy as a politically correct symbol, nothing else. Eoghan Quigg appears to have overlooked the fact that the greater threat to humanity was Communism, not Nazism. But what would he know?

Posted by Joan Walters | 07.11.09, 09:44 GMT

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