Cub scout leader Ingrid Loyau-Kennett, 48, from Cornwall, confronted the Woolwich attack suspects and asked them to hand over their weapons, telling them: "right now it is only you versus many people, you are going to lose."
Mrs Loyau-Kennett was travelling past the gruesome scene on a number 53 bus as the attack was taking place. “Being a cub leader I have my first aid so when I saw this guy on the floor I thought it was an accident - then I saw the guy was dead and I could not feel any pulse.
“And then when I went up there was this black guy with a revolver and a kitchen knife, he had what looked like butcher's tools and he had a little axe, to cut the bones, and two large knives, and he said 'move off the body'.
“So I thought 'OK, I don't know what is going on here' and he was covered with blood. I thought I had better start talking to him before he starts attacking somebody else. I thought these people usually have a message so I said, 'what do you want?'
“I asked him if he did it and he said yes, and I said: 'Why?' And he said because he has killed Muslim people in Muslim countries, he said he was a British solider and I said, really? And he said: 'I killed him because he killed Muslims and I am fed up with people killing Muslims in Afghanistan, they have nothing to do there.”'
She added that the attacker seemed "in full control of his decisions and ready to do everything he wanted to do. I said, 'Right now it is only you versus many people, you are going to lose, what would you like to do?' and he said: 'I would like to stay and fight.”
She then approached the other suspect in a bid to convince him to hand over his weapons. “The other one was much shier and I went to him and I said 'well, what about you? Would you like to give me what you have in your hands?’ I did not want to say weapons but I thought it was better having them aimed on one person like me rather than everybody there, children were starting to leave school as well."