Chelsea, despite that penalty shoot-out defeat by Bayern Munich in the Super Cup, showed that they will not be easily beaten in the Champions League – never mind on the home front – and make plenty of appeal at 11/1 to repeat their Euro success of two years ago.
Qualifying for the last 16 will be no problem for Jose Mourinho's Blues from a group which consists of Schalke, Basle and Steaua Bucharest, and that's reflected in odds of 1/3 to top their section.
United have a trappy little group with Shakhtar Donetsk, Bayer Leverkusen and Real Sociedad but 5/6 to come through as winners is great value.
City, so far a big disappointment in Europe, are up against it in Group D, taking on champions and 7/2 favourites Bayern Munich, CSKA Moscow and Czech Republic side Plzen.
Juventus are one team that will make the last 16 and are great value at 20/1 to go all the way.
Whether winners or runners-up, they'll come through the section and that'll make those outright odds a bargain.
They have to be considered at 5/2 to be top dogs in the group.
Chelsea deserve the quote of 15/8 to be the British side to go furthest but 11/8 all four English sides to qualify is too short in view of unreliable City.
Champions League specials: 7/2 Celtic to beat Barcelona at any point; 5/1 all-British final; 50/1 Man U v Man City final; 40/1 All English teams to win groups. Winning nation: 15/8 Spain; 11/4 England, Germany; 9/1 Italy; 14/1 France; 16/1 any other.