Reverend Richard Coles: I pray for punk, for something to come along and upset everybody and ignite fires
From The Communards to communion, the Reverend Richard Coles flaunts his own unique vicar style. He talks to Joe Nerssessian about The Walking Dead, Strictly and why he still hankers for the music of the Eighties
The Reverend Richard Coles is not your standard vicar. From budding pop star to the Anglican priesthood, the writer, broadcaster and inspiration for BBC sitcom Rev could easily be considered a bit of a maverick, but it's not a title he would give himself.
"That makes me think of Tom Cruise on a motorbike, and I don't think I'm that," he says.
"I don't think of myself as a maverick at all. Quite the opposite - I really think of myself as quite conventional but dispersed over unusual territory."
That unusual territory started more than 30 years ago when the former member of The Communards and Bronski Beat was making music. Nearly three decades on, he's here to talk about a new voyage into the charts.
The 55-year-old is playing DJ this time. He's selected 41 of his favourite festive songs just in time for a Christmas release.
Standing tall and sporting his dog collar, Coles is warm and welcoming as he sits next to a plate piled high with pastries in Sony's Kensington offices.
"I was sitting in Five Guys having a beef burger and Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree came on, which is great. But I wanted to get back to the original story.
"I wanted to put together a Christmas album that went back to the stable in Bethlehem and the source of it all. It kind of gets lost sometimes."
From Aled Jones' Candlelight Carol to Mario Lanza's The First Nowell, The Reverend Richard Coles: Songs For Christmas certainly does that, but doesn't he miss making his own music?
"I don't think there's any need to inflict my efforts on people particularly," he says drily.
Further probing reveals a little more enthusiasm.
"I guess part of me would like to have another go with Jimmy, really ... he was the best singer I ever worked with. And he was just so exciting to work with too. Maybe for a charity thing," he ponders, fidgeting in his seat.
Jimmy, of course, is Jimmy Somerville, Coles' collaborator in both The Communards and Bronski Beat, but their friendship began before that.
Both young men escaped their hometowns (Kettering for Coles, Glasgow for Somerville) for the neon lights of Soho and the idea that in Eighties London almost anything was possible.
"I lived in a squalid flat in King's Cross, Jimmy lived in a squat in Bloomsbury," he says. "You could sign on, you could live hand-to-mouth, and I just don't know how people could do that now. There's not room in it for a thousand flowers to bloom I guess, but maybe I'm just old."
"There was a pungency about the culture in the Eighties. It created pungent music, and record companies had the resources and were bothering to sign up new and exciting acts."
Perhaps unaware he is sitting inside the building which houses Simon Cowell's record label, Syco, he bemoans the X Factor's "supermarketed" output.
"Lots of great musicians do come through that, but it does produce something which lacks that pungency," the Reverend explains.
"Do you know what?" he says after a short silence. "I frequently find myself praying for punk, for something to come along and upset everybody and ignite a few fires and behave disreputably."
Not words you would expect from a man of the cloth. But anyway, is he not aware of grime? The raw, aggressive, do-it-yourself culture born in London that has since spread from Blackpool to Bournemouth?
"Grime has rather passed me by," he says, beaming. "But I'm so glad to hear it's there. I'm more of a Wagner man these days, which is grime for the over-50s."
He lives quite far from that pungent neon lights era of the Eighties, of course.
His parish is in Finedon, Northamptonshire, but this is a man who is far from shy and retiring. He's fresh from starring in this year's Strictly Come Dancing where, unfortunately, he was voted off after just three performances.
"It's quite brutal because it's so much fun," he says. "It was like being a kid and playing again with fantastic toys."
He had already planned an outfit for Blackpool - a cassock for the Argentine Tango, he admits with a laugh.
Despite his early exit, the Reverend is still following the show's progress.
"I actually put 50 quid on Joe (McFadden)," he says, bucking the stereotype of your bog-standard vicar once again. Strictly is just so bling. You have clouds coming down from the ceiling and a fantastic band and a really enthusiastic audience."
Coles' Christmas is usually pretty busy, with Midnight Mass on Christmas Eve and then a service early the next morning. But this year he's hoping to find enough time for whisky and, funnily enough, horror series The Walking Dead.
"It's hideous work, but after lunch we get into our pyjamas and watch the telly. I have to have a Wonderful Life and The Sound of Music, although I'm quite into The Walking Dead at the moment and I'm saving some zombie material for Christmas because I love it so much."
Nothing should really be a surprise with Coles, but this conversation began with him concerned that people are forgetting the true meaning of Christmas, so him airing his love for zombies is a little unexpected.
"The thing I worry about with religion isn't to do much with forgetting Christmas," he says. "It's to do with religion being angry and violent."
After a moment of silence he adds, thoughtfully: "I wish people would connect with what we have to offer more, and I think we have to ask ourselves lots of searching questions about why we are no longer persuasive to people.
"I often think people are hungry, but we give them a menu they can't read and a language they don't understand."
The Reverend Richard Coles: Songs For Christmas is out now