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Ruby Wax on the importance of opening up about your concerns and how a chat over a cup of coffee can help people through a crisis

Lauren Taylor chats to the comedian and mental health campaigner Ruby Wax on the importance of opening up about your concerns and how a chat over a cup of coffee can help people through a crisis 'We are now in an emergency situation... society is not well'

Ruby Wax believes a chat can help people through a crisis
Ruby Wax believes a chat can help people through a crisis
Ruby Wax believes a chat can help people through a crisis

By Lauren Taylor

If there's a woman of many sides, it's Ruby Wax. Bursting on to the scene as a comedian and a regular on TV for many years, she then famously studied for a masters at Oxford University in mindfulness-based cognitive behavioural therapy and is now perhaps best known for her campaigning work - even being awarded an OBE for her services to mental health.

American-born Wax (66) has been open about her own struggles with depression, and the positive effect speaking out has had for her. Her books include A Mindfulness Guide For The Frazzled, which was included on the 'Reading Well' list of expert-endorsed reads to help people better understand and manage their mental health. Her latest, How To Be Human: The Manual, was published last year.

We caught up with the mother-of-three as she features on a new podcast, Just About Coping, by Mental Health First Aid (MHFA) England.

On the importance of opening up

"We're in an emergency situation," Wax says of today's widespread mental health issues. "Society is not well."

The problem is we're not taught how to open up. "Nobody gives you any tools," she adds. "One of the problems is that we don't have a place where we can meet [others in the same situation] - not even necessarily with depression, just if we're burned out."

Wax set up Frazzled Cafe (, a charity which provides meeting places in cafes up and down the UK, where people can come for a coffee and a chat with others, with the help of a trained facilitator.

"It gives people a space to not feel judged," she says. "People can just be human and honest, because a lot of people aren't honest in front of friends and family. This is your tribe, your support system. If you feel shaky then it's a really good place to let off steam. Go to the site and we'll send you somewhere, and it's free and we give you coffee. That's dealing with the emergency we're in right now; it's a holding pen for us to tap into a community because a lot of us don't have any back up - you're just out there by yourself."

On men speaking out more

Wax's latest tour, How to Be Human, includes a segment where audience members stand up to share their stories. "In the beginning it was just women, now it's more even," she explains. "Men were never really known to open up, so it really feels good when they stand up - these are big butch guys and they'll tell you the intimate details."

On self-acceptance

With seemingly endless confidence and a career in TV and comedy, you might not think of Wax as a candidate for self-doubt, but she admits she's always struggled with self love and acceptance.

"I do everyday, it's a lifelong struggle. One day you hate yourself, the next minute you've changed [something]. The main thing is: know it will fade, everything changes so fast," she says.

"I can't jog, how bad am I supposed to feel about that? I can't cook, so am I a bad mother? Now I know I'm not but there was a [time when I thought], 'Oh s***, everybody else's mother is baking and working a 15 hour job. So the thing really is to forgive yourself - just do what you can do.

"It's about understanding your level of what you can take and knowing when to go, 'I can't do any more'. It doesn't mean you're lazy."

On what mindfulness really means

A lot of people associate mindfulness with simply 'being in the moment', but Wax says it's much more than that. "It's based on science. It's used to lower your cortisol so you can think more clearly and make clearer judgments, and focus your attention longer," she explains.

"Mindfulness just means you're able to pull focus when you want to, rather than get distracted all the time. The evidence is that it has a high success rate [to help] all kinds of mental illness. But it's not for everyone.

"There's a area in your brain that can been seen in people who practice this kind of thing," she adds. Indeed, according to Bupa, research shows the grey matter in the brain's amygdala - known for its role in stress - can become smaller.

For Wax, mindful meditation is a daily discipline. "I get up in the morning and do it for half an hour. I can do it for a few minutes in the car or before I speak [on tour]. It's to lower my heart rate so I don't have so much craziness in my head."

So what does she do? "You're following your breathing and you watch where your mind goes, and then you bring it back to the breathing, and then you watch where your mind goes."

It takes work though. "I don't love going to the gym" - and its the same thing, she says. "But you can fit into your pants, that's why I keep doing it. If you don't, you gotta go a size up."

You can listen to all Just About Coping podcasts at, on Apple Podcasts and Spotify

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