Michael Palin: We could have been hostages if Trump said something
Michael Palin is back on his travels, this time to North Korea, but, aged 75, the national treasure tells Gemma Dunn he is just getting started
Michael Palin may have travelled around the world in 80 days, but his latest journey is set to be his most "revealing" yet. The comedy actor-turned-presenter, who forged a successful second career touring the world following his 1989 hit, will head to North Korea for his first travelogue since 2012.
The major two-part documentary - his first for Channel 5 - will see him go "beyond the politics" in a bid to discover more about the everyday life of the secretive nation.
It was an opportunity Palin (75) simply couldn't turn down.
"I like places that are off the beaten track," begins the former Monty Python stalwart, whose previous travel series include Pole To Pole, Hemingway Adventure, Full Circle and Brazil. "Especially places that have a reputation, where you want to find out what it's really like under the surface.
"You can't condemn a whole nation for the aggression, or cruelty, of their leaders. People are people, so I wanted to try and find out if that was the same for North Korea."
But gaining unprecedented access was no easy feat for a Western crew - rather the result of two years of complex negotiations.
"Before Christmas, I just thought, 'This will never happen' because (the political leaders) were all calling each other names," Palin recalls. "And then, after Kim Jong-un made the new year speech, which was conciliatory towards South Korea, talking about reunification, the whole atmosphere changed.
"That was when we realised that we were on the crest of a wave and we were likely to be able to begin. But you just never knew what could happen.
"One morning, there could have been a missile fired; Trump could have said something and we'd all be held hostage, or we wouldn't be able to go at all. So, the whole thing kept me very apprehensive."
It was a case of proving he could be trusted, tells the Sheffield-born star.
"Every day was a learning experience and a much more rigorous learning experience than any travelling I've ever done - apart from possibly going into Tibet, or somewhere like that. Here's a country that looks similar to countries I've been to - they have tall buildings, railway lines and roads, although very little on them. And yet something was very different."
With the 1,300-mile, 13-day trip coinciding with the historic meeting between Kim Jong-un and the south's president, Moon Jae-in too, Palin found himself filming at a critical time in the country's history.
"You suddenly realise that they're all Koreans and they've been Koreans for a thousand, two thousand years," he says of the reaction. "They've only been separated for 70 years, so they see themselves as the same people, with the same interests.
"It was reunification which excited people, because some of them have family who they never see, so this little step towards some kind of peace was hugely important."
It could usher in a new era, he muses: "I get the feeling that they (North Koreans) want to open up to the rest of the world, but they're not quite sure how to do it without losing - I'm talking about the party regime here - control of the country, which they have.
"We did see sort of tourist resorts and airports being built to deal with the people coming in; they wouldn't have spent that money unless this was a major change of policy."
Can this landmark series enjoy the "Palin effect"? (His previous shows resulted in a spike in tourism for the visited destination).
"If someone said to me, 'Should I go to North Korea?' I would say, 'Yes. Go'," he quips, with a smile. "All of us in the crew felt quite sad when it came time to leave and none of us expected that.
"We all thought we were going to race home, get out of this madness, but actually not. But, then, we were well looked after."
Does Palin - who has never shied away from adventure - ever have any travel-related worries?
"Some things can come up," he accepts. "Like, if I got ill, or something like that, would I want to be in the middle of the Gobi Desert? And am I taking a risk here if I get on a light plane, that something may happen?
"They don't worry me because I'm absolutely fine with this idiotic optimism I have."
But Palin, who shares three children with his wife, Helen Gibbins, then adds: "I worry about my family - and I've got four grandchildren now, which is lovely.
"But it would be terribly sad to feel as though I'd done everything. I feel I'm just starting out, really."
Michael Palin in North Korea, Channel 5, Thursday, 9pm