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Orange Order snubs McGuinness over Twelfth talks bid

Nationalist youths riot with PSNI in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast this evening after a contentious orange parade passed the Ardoyne shops this evening.Picture by Kelvin Boyes / Presss Eye .
Nationalist youths riot with PSNI in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast this evening after a contentious orange parade passed the Ardoyne shops this evening.Picture by Kelvin Boyes / Presss Eye .
Northern Ireland's Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness has urged the loyal orders to engage in dialogue
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 10th July 2011 - Picture by Jonathan Porter/ PressEye.com - Overnight trouble in Ballyclare between loyalist rioters and the PSNI. The trouble started late on Saturday night and continued into Sunday morning with a number of vehicles being highjacked and burnt out. Burnt out cars pictured in the Grange Estate off the Doagh Road where most of the trouble occurred.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 12th July 2011 - Picture by PressEye.com - Trouble in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast following a Twelfth of July Orange Order parade past the shops. Nationalist rioters clash with the PSNI.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 12th July 2011 - Picture by PressEye.com - Trouble in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast following a Twelfth of July Orange Order parade past the shops. Nationalist rioters clash with the PSNI.
A policeman gets hit on the head with a petrol bomb in Ardoyne, Belfast, July 12, 2011
Press Eye Belfast - Northern Ireland - Tuesday 12th July 2011 - Nationalist youths riot with PSNI in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast this evening after a contentious orange parade passed the Ardoyne shops this evening.Picture by Kelvin Boyes / Presss Eye .
Trouble in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast following a Twelfth of July Orange Order parade past the shops. Nationalist rioters clash with the PSNI.
Trouble in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast following a Twelfth of July Orange Order parade past the shops. Nationalist rioters clash with the PSNI.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 12th July 2011 - Picture by PressEye.com - Trouble in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast following a Twelfth of July Orange Order parade past the shops. Nationalist rioters highjack a car and set it on fire.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 12th July 2011 - Picture by PressEye.com - Trouble in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast following a Twelfth of July Orange Order parade past the shops. Nationalist rioters clash with police.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 12th July 2011 - Picture by PressEye.com - Trouble in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast following a Twelfth of July Orange Order parade past the shops. Nationalist rioters clash with police.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 12th July 2011 - Picture by PressEye.com - Trouble in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast following a Twelfth of July Orange Order parade past the shops. Nationalist rioters clash with police.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 12th July 2011 - Picture by PressEye.com - Trouble in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast following a Twelfth of July Orange Order parade past the shops. Nationalist rioters clash with police.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 12th July 2011 - Picture by PressEye.com - Trouble in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast following a Twelfth of July Orange Order parade past the shops. Police use baton rounds on Nationalist rioters.
©Press Eye Ltd Northern Ireland - 12th July 2011 Mandatory Credit - Photo-William Cherry/Presseye PSNI officers protect Orangemen as they return home past a silent protest at the Catholic Ardoyne Estate after the annual Twelfth of July parades. Nationalists clashed with the PSNI before the parade passed.
©Press Eye Ltd Northern Ireland - 12th July 2011 Mandatory Credit - Photo-Kelvin Boyes/Presseye PSNI officers clash with Nationalists in Ardoyne after Orangemen return home past the Catholic Estate after the annual Twelfth of July parades.
©Press Eye Ltd Northern Ireland - 12th July 2011 Mandatory Credit - Photo-William Cherry/Presseye PSNI officers clash with Nationalists in Ardoyne after Orangemen return home past the Catholic Estate after the annual Twelfth of July parades.
Press Eye Belfast - Northern Ireland - Tuesday 12th July 2011 - Nationalist youths riot with PSNI in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast this evening after a contentious orange parade passed the Ardoyne shops this evening.General view of a burnt out car on the Crumlin RoadPicture by Kelvin Boyes / Presss Eye .
Press Eye Belfast - Northern Ireland - Tuesday 12th July 2011 - Nationalist youths riot with PSNI in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast this evening after a contentious orange parade passed the Ardoyne shops this evening.General view of a burnt out car on the Crumlin RoadPicture by Kelvin Boyes / Presss Eye .
Press Eye Belfast - Northern Ireland - Tuesday 12th July 2011 - Nationalist youths riot with PSNI in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast this evening after a contentious orange parade passed the Ardoyne shops this evening.PSNI officers at the water cannonPicture by Kelvin Boyes / Presss Eye .
Press Eye Belfast - Northern Ireland - Tuesday 12th July 2011 - Nationalist youths riot with PSNI in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast this evening after a contentious orange parade passed the Ardoyne shops this evening.Picture by Matt Mackey / Presss Eye .
Press Eye Belfast - Northern Ireland - Tuesday 12th July 2011 - Nationalist youths riot with PSNI in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast this evening after a contentious orange parade passed the Ardoyne shops this evening.Picture by Matt Mackey / Presss Eye .
Press Eye Belfast - Northern Ireland - Tuesday 12th July 2011 - Nationalist youths riot with PSNI in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast this evening after a contentious orange parade passed the Ardoyne shops this evening.Picture by Matt Mackey / Presss Eye .
Press Eye Belfast - Northern Ireland - Tuesday 12th July 2011 - Bandsmen and members of the Orange Order pass Nationalist Protestors at a contentious flashpoint in Ardoyne, north Belfast as part of the annual 12th July parades across Northern Ireland.Nationalist protestors.Picture by Kelvin Boyes / Press Eye.
Press Eye Belfast - Northern Ireland - Tuesday 12th July 2011 - Bandsmen and members of the Orange Order pass Nationalist Protestors at a contentious flashpoint in Ardoyne, north Belfast as part of the annual 12th July parades across Northern Ireland.Loyalists carry a banner past Nationalist protestors.Picture by Kelvin Boyes / Press Eye.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 12th July 2011 - Picture by Jonathan Porter/ PressEye.com - Orange Order feeder parade past the Ardoyne shops in north Belfast. Nationalist residents staged a protest in response to the parade which was heading to join the main Belfast 12th July Orange Order demonstration.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 12th July 2011 - Picture by Jonathan Porter/ PressEye.com - Orange Order feeder parade past the Ardoyne shops in north Belfast. Nationalist residents staged a protest in response to the parade which was heading to join the main Belfast 12th July Orange Order demonstration.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 12th July 2011 - Picture by Jonathan Porter/ PressEye.com - Orange Order feeder parade past the Ardoyne shops in north Belfast. Nationalist residents staged a protest in response to the parade which was heading to join the main Belfast 12th July Orange Order demonstration.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 12th July 2011 - Picture by PressEye.com - Trouble in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast following a Twelfth of July Orange Order parade past the shops. Nationalist rioters clash with the PSNI.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 12th July 2011 - Picture by PressEye.com - Trouble in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast following a Twelfth of July Orange Order parade past the shops. Nationalist rioters clash with the PSNI.
Press Eye Belfast - Northern Ireland - Tuesday 12th July 2011 - Nationalist youths riot with PSNI in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast this evening after a contentious orange parade passed the Ardoyne shops this evening.Picture by Kelvin Boyes / Presss Eye .
Press Eye Belfast - Northern Ireland - Tuesday 12th July 2011 - Nationalist youths riot with PSNI in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast this evening after a contentious orange parade passed the Ardoyne shops this evening.Picture by Kelvin Boyes / Presss Eye .
Press Eye Belfast - Northern Ireland - Tuesday 12th July 2011 - Nationalist youths riot with PSNI in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast this evening after a contentious orange parade passed the Ardoyne shops this evening.Picture by Kelvin Boyes / Presss Eye .
Press Eye Belfast - Northern Ireland - Tuesday 12th July 2011 - Nationalist youths riot with PSNI in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast this evening after a contentious orange parade passed the Ardoyne shops this evening.Picture by Kelvin Boyes / Presss Eye .
Press Eye Belfast - Northern Ireland - Tuesday 12th July 2011 - Nationalist youths riot with PSNI in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast this evening after a contentious orange parade passed the Ardoyne shops this evening.Picture by Kelvin Boyes / Presss Eye .
Press Eye Belfast - Northern Ireland - Tuesday 12th July 2011 - Nationalist youths riot with PSNI in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast this evening after a contentious orange parade passed the Ardoyne shops this evening.General view of a burnt out car on the Crumlin RoadPicture by Kelvin Boyes / Presss Eye .
Press Eye Belfast - Northern Ireland - Tuesday 12th July 2011 - Nationalist youths riot with PSNI in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast this evening after a contentious orange parade passed the Ardoyne shops this evening.General view of a burnt out car on the Crumlin RoadPicture by Kelvin Boyes / Presss Eye .
Press Eye Belfast - Northern Ireland - Tuesday 12th July 2011 - Nationalist youths riot with PSNI in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast this evening after a contentious orange parade passed the Ardoyne shops this evening.General view of a burnt out car on the Crumlin RoadPicture by Kelvin Boyes / Presss Eye .
Press Eye Belfast - Northern Ireland - Tuesday 12th July 2011 - Nationalist youths riot with PSNI in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast this evening after a contentious orange parade passed the Ardoyne shops this evening.A rioter fires a fireworkPicture by Kelvin Boyes / Presss Eye .
Press Eye Belfast - Northern Ireland - Tuesday 12th July 2011 - Nationalist youths riot with PSNI in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast this evening after a contentious orange parade passed the Ardoyne shops this evening.A rioter fires a petrol bombPicture by Kelvin Boyes / Presss Eye .
Press Eye Belfast - Northern Ireland - Tuesday 12th July 2011 - Nationalist youths riot with PSNI in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast this evening after a contentious orange parade passed the Ardoyne shops this evening.A rioter fires a petrol bombPicture by Kelvin Boyes / Presss Eye .
Press Eye Belfast - Northern Ireland - Tuesday 12th July 2011 - Nationalist youths riot with PSNI in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast this evening after a contentious orange parade passed the Ardoyne shops this evening.Picture by Kelvin Boyes / Presss Eye .
Nationalist youths clash with police in Ardoyne in north Belfast. July 12, 2011.
PSNI officers escort Orangemen as they return home past a silent protest at the Ardoyne Estate after the annual Twelfth of July parades
Loyalist supporters wait to welcome home the Orangemen as they return home
People take advantage of a high view as PSNI officers clash with Nationalists in Ardoyne
Nationalist youths clash with police in Ardoyne in north Belfast. July 12, 2011.
PSNI officers escort Orangemen as they return home past the Ardoyne estate after the annual Twelfth of July parades
Nationalist youths clash with police in Ardoyne in north Belfast. July 12, 2011.
Nationalist youths clash with police in Ardoyne in north Belfast. July 12, 2011.
Nationalist youths clash with police in Ardoyne in north Belfast. July 12, 2011.
Nationalist youths clash with police in Ardoyne in north Belfast. July 12, 2011.
Officers prepare to fire baton rounds to disperse nationalist youths in Ardoyne, in north Belfast, after police cordoned off the area to allow through a loyalist parade. July 12, 2011. Photo: Paul Faith/PA Wire
Rioting at Broadway in West Belfast, July 11 2011
11.07.11. PICTURE BY DAVID FITZGERALD12th of July celebrations kick off in Whitehead where people enjoy the bonfire
11.07.11. PICTURE BY DAVID FITZGERALD12th of July celebrations kick off in Whitehead where people enjoy the bonfire
11.07.11. PICTURE BY DAVID FITZGERALDRiots kick off at Broadway in West Belfast as the Police had a perimeter to hold off youths who burnt a car and threw bricks and bottles at the Police
11.07.11. PICTURE BY DAVID FITZGERALDRiots kick off at Broadway in West Belfast as the Police had a perimeter to hold off youths who burnt a car and threw bricks and bottles at the Police
11.07.11. PICTURE BY DAVID FITZGERALDRiots kick off at Broadway in West Belfast as the Police had a perimeter to hold off youths who burnt a car and threw bricks and bottles at the Police
11.07.11. PICTURE BY DAVID FITZGERALDRiots kick off at Broadway in West Belfast as the Police had a perimeter to hold off youths who burnt a car and threw bricks and bottles at the Police
11.07.11. PICTURE BY DAVID FITZGERALDRiots kick off at Broadway in West Belfast as the Police had a perimeter to hold off youths who burnt a car and threw bricks and bottles at the Police
11.07.11. PICTURE BY DAVID FITZGERALDRiots kick off at Broadway in West Belfast as the Police had a perimeter to hold off youths who burnt a car and threw bricks and bottles at the Police
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 10th July 2011 - Picture by Jonathan Porter/ PressEye.com - Overnight trouble in Ballyclare between loyalist rioters and the PSNI. The trouble started late on Saturday night and continued into Sunday morning with a number of vehicles being highjacked and burnt out. Burnt out cars pictured in the Grange Estate off the Doagh Road where most of the trouble occurred.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 10th July 2011 - Picture by Jonathan Porter/ PressEye.com - Annual Drumcree Orange Order parade in Portadown. The parade is stopped outside Drumcree Church from going down the mainly nationalist Garvaghy Road. The parade makes its way to the barrier.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 10th July 2011 - Picture by Jonathan Porter/ PressEye.com - Overnight trouble in Ballyclare between loyalist rioters and the PSNI. The trouble started late on Saturday night and continued into Sunday morning with a number of vehicles being highjacked and burnt out. Local residents picturted in the Grange Estate off the Doagh Road where most of the trouble occurred.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 10th July 2011 - Picture by Jonathan Porter/ PressEye.com - Overnight trouble in Ballyclare between loyalist rioters and the PSNI. The trouble started late on Saturday night and continued into Sunday morning with a number of vehicles being highjacked and burnt out. Burnt out cars pictured in the Grange Estate off the Doagh Road where most of the trouble occurred.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 10th July 2011 - Picture by Jonathan Porter/ PressEye.com - Overnight trouble in Ballyclare between loyalist rioters and the PSNI. The trouble started late on Saturday night and continued into Sunday morning with a number of vehicles being highjacked and burnt out. A paramilitary flag pictured in the Grange Estate off the Doagh Road where most of the trouble occurred.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 10th July 2011 - Picture by Jonathan Porter/ PressEye.com - Annual Drumcree Orange Order parade in Portadown. The parade is stopped outside Drumcree Church from going down the mainly nationalist Garvaghy Road. Orange men pictured at the barrier with Drumcree Church in the background.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 10th July 2011 - Picture by Jonathan Porter/ PressEye.com - Annual Drumcree Orange Order parade in Portadown. The parade is stopped outside Drumcree Church from going down the mainly nationalist Garvaghy Road. Orange men pictured at the barrier with Drumcree Church in the background.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 10th July 2011 - Picture by Jonathan Porter/ PressEye.com - Annual Drumcree Orange Order parade in Portadown. The parade is stopped outside Drumcree Church from going down the mainly nationalist Garvaghy Road. The parade makes its way to the barrier.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 10th July 2011 - Picture by Jonathan Porter/ PressEye.com - Annual Drumcree Orange Order parade in Portadown. The parade is stopped outside Drumcree Church from going down the mainly nationalist Garvaghy Road. Orange men hand over a letter of protest to the police at the barrier outside the church.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 10th July 2011 - Picture by Jonathan Porter/ PressEye.com - Annual Drumcree Orange Order parade in Portadown. The parade is stopped outside Drumcree Church from going down the mainly nationalist Garvaghy Road. Orange men pictured at the barrier with Drumcree Church in the background.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 10th July 2011 - Picture by Jonathan Porter/ PressEye.com - Overnight trouble in Ballyclare between loyalist rioters and the PSNI. The trouble started late on Saturday night and continued into Sunday morning with a number of vehicles being highjacked and burnt out. Burnt out cars pictured in the Grange Estate off the Doagh Road where most of the trouble occurred.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 10th July 2011 - Picture by Jonathan Porter/ PressEye.com - Overnight trouble in Ballyclare between loyalist rioters and the PSNI. The trouble started late on Saturday night and continued into Sunday morning with a number of vehicles being highjacked and burnt out. Burnt out cars pictured in the Grange Estate off the Doagh Road where most of the trouble occurred.
Press Eye - Belfast - Northern Ireland - 10th July 2011 - Picture by Jonathan Porter/ PressEye.com - Overnight trouble in Ballyclare between loyalist rioters and the PSNI. The trouble started late on Saturday night and continued into Sunday morning with a number of vehicles being highjacked and burnt out. Burnt out cars pictured in the Grange Estate off the Doagh Road where most of the trouble occurred.

By Noel McAdam

An offer of talks from Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness to attempt a breakthrough over contentious parades has been rebuffed by the Orange Order.

Mr McGuinness said yesterday if the Order had a problem meeting with Sinn Fein, he could see no reason why Orange leaders could not meet with him and Peter Robinson as First and Deputy First Ministers.

A spokesman for the Grand Lodge of Ireland, which has set up a new committee to examine the parades issue, immediately rejected the overture which came after a spate of violence in towns and cities across Northern Ireland in the past week.

The Orange spokesman would only say: "The current policy of the Grand Lodge of Ireland is not to meet with Sinn Fein."

While Mr McGuinness said any effort to achieve new talks must take place before Christmas, it was made clear that there is no prospect of Grand Lodge policy changing in the near future.

One potential mechanism remains, however, if the committee established by Grand Lodge were to be permitted to meet with Mr McGuinness.

New Grand Master Edward Stevenson told the Belfast Telegraph earlier this year he wanted the committee to do some "blue-sky thinking".

The special committee, chaired by veteran Belfast Orange Order leader Raymond Spiers, has already met once, but will not begin formal deliberations until early September.

It was set up after Grand Lodge last year threw out a package hammered out by a DUP and Sinn Fein working group which would have lead to the demise of the Order's bete noire - the Parades Commission.

The two-tier scheme was the result of intense negotiations following the political deal which saw policing and justice powers devolved to Stormont last year - the last phase of devolution.

Mr Stevenson said: "They start with a clean sheet, but if they wish they can look at some attributes of the proposals last year."

Mr McGuinness and Mr Robinson said while the recent violence had been at a lower level and less intense than previous years, it still remained unacceptable and had to be condemned.

At a press conference outside Stormont Castle it emerged they intend to refloat their proposals despite the Grand Lodge rejection.

Encouraging talks involving what he terms "negative elements" at local community level, Mr Robinson warned: "As a society we have begun to get careless about how hard-won the peace was. People need to recognise that daily."

Having watched the annual Orange event in Rossknowlagh at the weekend, Mr Robinson said he wondered how such days could be enjoyed in the Republic but not on some streets in Northern Ireland.

And warning of repercussions from recent images of violence beamed across the world, the DUP leader said: "It's damaging to Northern Ireland's reputation.

"Many involved in the rioting intend to destroy the work we're involved in; others are being manipulated by those same people."

Mr McGuinness echoed the sentiments, adding: "All of those who think it is a good idea not to talk need to get real and recognise the sort of headlines we are receiving."

Background

A total of 38 police officers were injured as they tried to contain a spate of riots across Northern Ireland before and during the Twelfth celebrations. In response, more than 100 baton rounds were fired in Belfast on July 11 and 12 alone. In nationalist areas of north and south Belfast and Londonderry, 26 people were arrested in riots after Orange Order parades on the Twelfth. Children under 10 years old were involved in confrontations with the PSNI. Violence in the Ardoyne area saw "serious and sustained" attacks on police on the Twelfth night after an Orange march and protest by local residents passed off peacefully.

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