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Poll: Were Ireland and Ulster rugby chiefs right to sack Jackson and Olding?


Lindy McDowell and Eilis O'Hanlon take opposing views on the decision taken by rugby chiefs.

No, both of their careers have been macerated by a vocal social media backlash

By Lindy McDowell

In the end it wasn't a victory for feminism. It was a victory for finance.  Because, let's face it, those who generally call the shots in sport are the sponsors.

And in the opinion of many Ulster Rugby fans, it would appear to have been the pressure from the sponsors that played a key role in the decision by both Ulster Rugby and the IRFU to drop Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding from the provincial and international teams.

Sponsors will always be anxious to protect their own brand from any taint or hint of controversy.

Respect, inclusivity and integrity, said the rugby statement, those are the core values of the game.

High-minded indeed.

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Respect, inclusivity and integrity. And the support of Bank of Ireland.


Stuart Olding

Stuart Olding

Kevin Scott / Belfast Telegraph

Stuart Olding


Both of these young men, it should be stressed yet again, were acquitted unanimously of the rape allegations laid against them in the recent trial.

They are innocent.

Innocent young men (and their families) who have been through an 18-month ordeal and have now been dumped by the teams which they have served loyally.

And why?

Because, in the course of that trial, private messages they shared with their mates two years ago have, as a result of court proceedings, been made public.

As a rugby stalwart remarked to a friend of mine this week, ironically in the week in which Belfast gave Bill Clinton the Freedom of the City, those private WhatsApp messages between a group of young men have been deemed utterly unforgivable.

Even the sage voice of that rugby giant (in every sense) Willie John McBride held no sway.

McBride, as honourable a man as ever graced a sports field anywhere, had said in a previous interview he was "sorry to see that there are some people who want to deny them (Jackson and Olding) the opportunity (to continue to play rugby) and take away their livelihood".

Speaking of all the young people involved, he added: "When the alcohol is in, the common sense is out, and it is very sad that they have all got caught up in this."

They had been found not guilty, he said, and their post-verdict treatment was unfair. A voice of common sense. But, in the end, fairness didn't come into it.

Both Jackson and Olding have made heartfelt statements in the aftermath of the rugby authorities' decision, expressing their disappointment at their sacking, but also their determination to move forward and prove themselves.

Both, touchingly, referenced their families and apologised again for their behaviour.

There will be - there are - many people, both rugby fans and onlookers, who will feel like Willie John, that both of these young men have been unfairly treated.

And it should be stressed here, very many of those who feel aggrieved on their behalf are women.

Although there has been an attempt to portray this as an "anti-women's rights" issue, women have been as divided about the case as men.

There is no doubt that Jackson and Olding's once glittering careers have been macerated by an extremely vocal social media backlash. Cyber persecution, as a supportive advert in this newspaper called it.

And yet I feel both will in time rise above this on a personal level. What's that old line about whatever doesn't kill you makes you strong?

Both are obviously genuinely remorseful about the language used in those WhatsApp postings.

They are young, talented and intelligent and they feel they now have something to prove.

When the dust has settled and the hysteria has died down, I have no doubt they will go on and make a real success of their lives.

I feel for their families, though; for their mothers in particular. For them this last two years will have been a nightmare. But they too will regroup and move on.

Meanwhile, it would be good to think that our legal system will learn from this.

The rugby trial (which is how most people referred to it) made headlines mostly because of the celebrity factor.

But while the complainant will remain anonymous for the rest of her life, the innocent defendants and their families and, it has to be said, the witnesses (not least poor Dara Florence) took the full force of the media scrutiny.


Paddy Jackson

Paddy Jackson


Paddy Jackson


In the wake of this case there should not only be inquiry into why it was ever taken in the first place, but there should also be a review of the policy of naming defendants in such cases.

I believe fervently in open justice, but having read about people jostling for seats in the public gallery during this trial, I also think there's a strong argument for barring the public from hearings involving sexual assault cases.

A rape trial is not a public entertainment. Chiefly, though, and I've kept this for the last, what dismayed me most about this case was the response of many so-called feminists.

I regard myself as a feminist. So feminist, in fact - such a believer in equality - that I actually believe women too can lie.

In my view when we get to the stage where we feel compelled to "believe her" just because of her gender, we haven't just lost the plot.

We've lost sight of the whole concept of justice. And, yes, of course those who complain of sexual assault should be treated gently. But questions that need to be asked must be asked.

Justice must be done. Justice should not be gender specific.

One of the telling responses to this case has been the very many women - young women especially - who have expressed concern about the refusal of the social media gauleiters to respect the findings of the jury.

So no, this hasn't been a case that pitched women against men. It's not a "women's issue", it's a wider justice issue. It's been a case about where we, each of us, believe fairness lies.

"I hope that people will see that these are not bad young men," is how Willie John succinctly summed it up.

Me too.


Stuart Olding and Paddy Jackson after Ulster match

Stuart Olding and Paddy Jackson after Ulster match

Stuart Olding and Paddy Jackson after Ulster match


Yes, there were always bound to be consequences once messages came to light

By Eilis O'Hanlon

Those who still think that Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding were treated badly in having their contracts revoked by the Irish Rugby Football Union, despite recently being found not guilty of rape at the High Court in Belfast, should ask themselves how the decision on their futures could have gone any other way.

Imagine that the two men had lined up for Ulster on Friday night against Welsh side Ospreys. What kind of message would that have sent to young fans in the stadium, or watching on TV at home, as the crowd cheered on men who'd spoken about young women in such revolting and disparaging terms?

Just picture the mess into which Irish rugby could have been dragged as it struggled to defend itself against what was bound to be fierce criticism, and with corporate sponsors taking fright.

Sacking the two men "with immediate effect" could be seen as bowing to mob rule, but here's the thing. Sometimes the mob is right.

As such, it's wise not to ignore or outrage public sentiment, or take our loyalty for granted.

It must be deeply unpleasant to be at the centre of a media storm when you've done nothing wrong. Just ask Sir Cliff Richard. But that's not what happened here.


Belfast Feminist Network activists hold a protest outside the Kingspan Stadium in east Belfast ahead of Ulster's Pro14 match against the Ospreys

Belfast Feminist Network activists hold a protest outside the Kingspan Stadium in east Belfast ahead of Ulster's Pro14 match against the Ospreys


Belfast Feminist Network activists hold a protest outside the Kingspan Stadium in east Belfast ahead of Ulster's Pro14 match against the Ospreys


Jackson and Olding are not guilty of rape, but that's not why they're now facing the shame of being dropped by Irish rugby. They're being punished for the WhatsApp messages which were sent the morning after the house party at which the complainant alleged she'd been raped.

No one denies they were responsible for those messages.

They're being punished for something that they did, in other words, not for something that they didn't.

Now it could be that rugby fans should never have seen those messages.

If, as in the Irish Republic, rape trials were held behind closed doors to protect the anonymity both of complainants and defendants, the contents of those messages might never have seen the light of day, and the men could have slipped back into their ordinary lives without a fuss. That's certainly a discussion which needs to be had.

But whether we should've seen those messages or not, the fact is that we did, and we can't unsee what we saw or unknow what we now know.

Once those messages were out in the public domain, it was bound to change the way that Jackson and Olding were regarded by the general public.


Rory Harrison

Rory Harrison

Rory Harrison


Everyone has said terrible things in jest or high spirits, but those messages were about a young woman who'd left their company in a distressed state. It may be expecting too much to demand courtly chivalry in this age of casual "hook ups", but that's no excuse for being so luridly unkind.

Once those messages were seen outside the small circle of friends for whom they were intended, there were bound to be consequences. In this case, the repercussions are severe. Both men will now have to leave their homes and families and ply their trade abroad, separating them for the foreseeable future from a club and a group of fans to which they clearly feel a deep attachment.

But what alternative was there? Irish rugby would only have damaged itself by defending the indefensible.

To their credit, Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding have both accepted their punishment with dignity. The important thing now is what happens next. The Ulster Rugby/IRFU statement promised to start an "in depth review" of the structures in the game to ensure that the core values of "respect, inclusivity and integrity" are understood and practised "at every level".

They'll be judged on those actions. Society and sport will be better in the long run as a result.

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