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Barry Gardiner interview labelled ‘car crash’

The shadow international trade secretary was asked about remarks he made to a private audience about the Irish border issue.

Shadow international trade secretary Barry Gardiner faced questions over whether he tells the truth in private or on television in a heated interview that has been labelled a “car crash”.

Mr Gardiner was repeatedly asked about remarks he made to a private audience in which he said people were playing up the Irish border for political reasons, as he appeared on BBC One’s The Andrew Marr Show.

Emma Barnett, hosting the programme, quoted him as saying: “There are real economic reasons why people have played up the issue of the Irish border, and of course there are very good political reasons.”

She asked the Labour frontbencher: “Do you stand by that remark?”

Mr Gardiner replied: “There are reasons why people would wish to – if you look at the balance of trade and the importance of cross-border trade between the south and the north in Ireland it is extremely difficult to see how the Irish economy would withstand the imposition of cross-border controls.”

Ms Barnett then pressed him, asking: “Do you stand by the remarks that people are playing up the Irish border for political reasons. You’ve said it?

“Which Barry Gardiner is the truth? The one that speaks in private or the one that is on television now?”

Mr Gardiner replied: “Sometimes you have conversations in private, and the reason they are held in private is because you can advance thinking and you can actually then try and, if all you ever do is stick by the given line, you’d never actually advance it because you’d never discuss anything with people – that’s the reason for holding things in private.

“The important thing is that we in the Labour Party have come forward with the proposal – the Conservatives have not – which actually meets the problems of solving the Irish border and that is a new customs union which would minimise disruption on the border, and which would enable our jobs and our economy to be protected in this country because the supply chain across the border into Europe would not constantly be undermining our just in time supply chain.”

The interview was branded a “total car crash” by Carrie Symonds‏, director of communications for the Conservative Party.

She tweeted: “Total car crash for Barry Gardiner on #Marr. Refusing to answer the questions and now he’s getting very tetchy…”

Meanwhile, shadow chancellor John McDonnell said he remains committed to overthrowing capitalism as he discussed Labour’s economic approach.

Asked if the cause was now his job rather than a hobby, he replied: “Yes, it is. It’s transforming our economy.”

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Shadow chancellor John McDonnell said he wanted a Socialist society (PA)

He told BBC One’s Sunday Politics he did not believe there was a difference between transforming the economy and overthrowing capitalism “because I think at the end of the day I want a Socialist society”.

“And that means transforming in a way which radically challenges the system as it now is,” he added.

Mr McDonnell denied Venezuela, which is suffering hyperinflation and chronic food shortages, was an example of a failed Socialist economic model.

He said: “No, I don’t think it was a Socialist country. I think what happened was Chavez was developing policies which I think would first of all tackle the tragedy of the poverty that was in that country, raising literacy rates and then investing in the economy, using their oil wealth to do that.

“I think it took a wrong turn when Chavez went. And I think unfortunately since then I don’t think they’ve been following the Socialist policies that Chavez
was developing. And as a result of that, they’re experiencing the current problems.”

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