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Harry says he is having two children ‘maximum’ in British Vogue interview

The Duke of Sussex made the remark in conversation with Dr Jane Goodall for the fashion bible, which his wife Meghan is guest-editing.

The Duke of Sussex and Dr Jane Goodall (Chris Allerton)
The Duke of Sussex and Dr Jane Goodall (Chris Allerton)

The Duke of Sussex has told activist and chimpanzee expert Dr Jane Goodall he will only have two children for the sake of the planet.

Harry said he now views the natural world differently since becoming a father to three-month-old son Archie, and when quizzed by the primatologist about how many children he is planning to have with Meghan, he replied “two, maximum”.

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Earlier this summer HRH The Duke of Sussex met with world renowned ethologist Dr. Jane Goodall for an intimate conversation on environment, activism, and the world as they see it. This special sit-down was requested by The Duchess of Sussex, who has long admired Dr. Goodall and wanted to feature her in the September issue of @BritishVogue, which HRH has guest edited. HRH and Dr. Goodall spoke candidly about many topics including the effects of unconscious bias, and the need for people to acknowledge that your upbringing and environment can cause you to be prejudiced without realising it. The Duke described that “[when] you start to peel away all the layers, all the taught behaviour, the learned behaviour, the experienced behaviour, you start to peel all that away - and at the end of the day, we’re all humans.” • Through @RootsandShoots the global youth service program @JaneGoodallInst founded in 1991, she has created and encouraged a global youth community to recognise the power of their individual strength – that each day you live, you can make a difference. Photos: ©️SussexRoyal / Chris Allerton #ForcesForChange

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The royal interviewed the primatologist, a childhood hero of the duke and his wife, for the latest edition of British Vogue after being commissioned by Meghan, who is guest-editing the fashion bible.

When Dr Goodall said there would be conflicts “over the last fertile land, the last fresh water”, Harry issued a dire warning about the consequences of mankind’s actions.

He said: “What we need to remind everybody is: these are things that are happening now. We are already living in it. We are the frog in the water and it’s already been brought to the boil. Which is terrifying.”

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Dr Goodall’s work with primates has made her world-famous (Yui Mok/PA)

The primatologist agreed with him and said having a baby added to the concern, to which Harry replied: “It does make it different.”

He added: “I think, weirdly, because of the people that I’ve met and the places that I’ve been fortunate enough to go to, I’ve always had a connection and a love for nature.

“I view it differently now, without question. But I’ve always wanted to try and ensure that, even before having a child and hoping to have children.”

When Dr Goodall added, laughing: “Not too many,” the duke said: “Two, maximum.”

During the discussion, she said: “It’s crazy to think we can have unlimited economic development on a planet with finite natural resources.

“There’s a lot of violence and war and suffering around the world today, but we’re part of the natural world, and if we can’t learn to live in harmony with it, then this is going to get worse.”

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Harry and Dr Goodall share a joke at her Roots and Shoots Global Leadership Meeting at Windsor Castle (Kirsty Wigglesworth/PA)

The conservationist welcomed Harry to a meeting of her youth empowerment project Roots and Shoots earlier this month at Windsor Castle, where she talked about how they “clicked” when they first met last December, and hoped to work together raising awareness about conservation.

She was also invited to the duke’s Frogmore Cottage home near Windsor Castle in June where she cuddled Archie, who was then five weeks old.

Dr Goodall’s lifelong work with chimpanzees has made her an international figure, and she is credited with making the first recorded observations of chimpanzees using tools and eating meat.

When Harry asked how her study of primates had impacted upon how she felt about people, the discussion turned to the issue of violence and racism.

Dr Goodall said it was “obvious” mankind had “inherited aggressive tendencies”, but human brains were able to control anger.

The duke said the same applied to “unconscious bias”, where someone’s words or actions could be perceived as racist, but if confronted the person would deny it.

He added: “I’m not saying that you’re a racist, I’m just saying that your unconscious bias is proving that, because of the way that you’ve been brought up, the environment you’ve been brought up in, suggests that you have this point of view…”

The September issue of British Vogue is available on Friday August 2.

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