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Mundell retains high hopes for Holyrood despite ‘unfulfilled potential’

The Scottish Secretary spoke to the Press Association ahead of the 20th anniversary of the Scottish Parliament.

Secretary of State for Scotland David Mundell spoke to the Press Association ahead of the 20th anniversary of the Scottish Parliament (Jane Barlow/PA)
Secretary of State for Scotland David Mundell spoke to the Press Association ahead of the 20th anniversary of the Scottish Parliament (Jane Barlow/PA)

Holyrood still has “great potential” after two decades of devolution – but it has been unfulfilled in recent years under the SNP, the Scottish Secretary has said.

David Mundell was one of the original crop of MSPs elected to serve in the new Parliament in May 1999, though he has since gone on to politics at Westminster.

He recalled there were “very high hopes for the Parliament” as he reflected on when he was first elected as a list MSP for the South of Scotland.

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David Mundell moved on to Westminster, where he is now Scottish Secretary (Stefan Rousseau/PA)

He said: “Not all of those have been realised but I think that’s not because of the Scottish Parliament, it’s because of the different Governments that have been part of it.

“I think the Parliament itself, I’m still very positive about – its role and what it can do.

“But the Government it creates and holds to account need to do better.

“The potential remains great but that has to be fulfilled and certainly in recent years, I don’t think that’s been the case.”

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David Mundell asked Peter Peacock the first question in the Scottish Parliament (David Cheskin/PA)

As an MSP, Mr Mundell was the first person to ask a question at the newly established parliament on June 1 1999.

It was posed to then-education minister, Peter Peacock, about rural schools.

“That shows the issues don’t change,” Mr Mundell said.

He said there is not enough of a distinction made between Holyrood as an institution and the elected Government.

“I think we do need to do more to differentiate in the public mind the Scottish Parliament from the Scottish Government – I think most people are quite clear the House of Commons is not the Government, it’s different,” he explained.

“We have to work still to differentiate the parliament itself and all the things that it could do from the Scottish Government and what it does do.”

So as someone who has served in both Holyrood and Westminster, how do the two compare?

“Twenty years ago, I think the Scottish Parliament was ahead of Westminster in terms of its approach,” Mr Mundell said.

“Now I think Westminster at the very least has caught up, if not made some changes the Scottish Parliament might like to consider.”

When I'm voting at 11 o'clock at night, I do look back fondly to voting at 5 o'clock with my card in the Scottish Parliament David Mundell

One difference frequently highlighted between the Parliaments in London and Edinburgh is the different systems of voting.

In Holyrood, MSPs are able to cast their votes electronically, while MPs at Westminster must still walk down one of two corridors.

Mr Mundell admits Westminster could perhaps adapt to some more fixed points for voting – similar to how Holyrood holds votes at decision time at 5pm.

“When I’m voting at 11 o’clock at night, I do look back fondly to voting at 5 o’clock with my card in the Scottish Parliament,” he says.

“The positive thing is, and this is true about the voting lobbies, is that it is an opportunity to interact with colleagues, with ministers, who you’re not bumping into these people all the time. So it does allow that.

“But when we’re voting for the 20th time at 11 o’clock, I do think, maybe there’s something to be said for electronic voting.”

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Mr Mundell’s son, Oliver, is an MSP for Dumfriesshire (Andrew Milligan/PA)

Although he no longer takes a seat in the Scottish Parliament, the Scottish secretary does still have a personal connection to Holyrood – his son, Oliver Mundell, an MSP for Dumfriesshire since being elected in 2016.

They are the only father and son to have served at the Scottish Parliament since it opened.

“I’m very, very proud of Oliver,” says Mr Mundell.

“Firstly, he did something that I didn’t do, which was he won the Dumfries constituency. I’d stood in the Dumfries constituency as a list MSP.

“My advice to him is very important and this applies in Westminster as well – Not to get caught up into the bubble.

“Your first duty is to your constituents and ultimately your constituents determine whether you’re there or not.

“And it is easy to get caught up in everything that is going on in Holyrood or at Westminster and just lose touch with what people are saying in Moffat High Street.

“That’s my advice to anyone who’s in politics – you’ve got to stay in touch with the people who elect you and not just get drawn into the bubble or into the latest intrigue in Holyrood in what people are saying in the bar or the canteen or whatever.

“I think that advice is as relevant to both Holyrood and to Westminster.”

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